co-parenting with cancer

Q&A with Mighty + Bright Founder, Sara Olsher, on Talking to Kids about Divorce + Co-Parenting with Cancer

If you are going through divorce with kids, you’ve likely been looking for ways to talk to them about what’s going on. You may have read some of the great resources and articles here on Hello Divorce about co-parenting, like How to Succeed at Raising Your Kids Together, Apart or 5 Co-Parenting Plan Resources We Love. If you have, you’ll have seen several mentions of Mighty + Bright.

I adore Mighty + Bright and refer many of my clients to their products: magnetic calendars that help children visually see and understand their schedules. As you hear me say a lot on this blog and elsewhere: when people feel informed, they feel empowered and that reduces stress, anxiety and anger. The exact same thing goes for kids.

When I first met Sara Olsher, founder of Mighty + Bright, I was a little starstruck. I had followed her company and her story and so admired her raw honesty and her deep desire to help other parents through a situation that had also challenged her. But her products and her story don’t end with Sara’s divorce.

In 2017, at the age of 34, Sara was diagnosed with invasive breast cancer. As she did with her divorce, she decided to explain the diagnosis and treatment process to her then six-year-old, rather than keep her in the dark. She also developed a calendar to help her daughter understand her cancer treatments, which included magnets for “good” days, “bad” days, chemo days, and more. And she channeled this experience to develop discussion guides to help parents talk to their kids about cancer, as she did with her own daughter.

(Quick tip: Sara has also developed a discussion guide for talking to your kids about divorce. And it’s free. Go download it now, then come right back to finish this post!)

There is so much we can all learn from Sara’s strength, honesty and bravery. It is an absolute delight to introduce you to her through this Q&A.

Erin: You’ve been through so much. But, let’s start with divorce and co-parenting. Your divorce is now seven years in the rearview mirror. Can you talk about your co-parenting relationship with your ex today, and how that has evolved since your divorce?

Sara: Things have gotten so much easier. Honestly, I had very little hope in the beginning that we’d ever get to a good place. We had a very contentious divorce and couldn’t agree on much of anything, including how to handle our daughter’s anxiety. In the beginning our co-parenting relationship was much more like parallel parenting, where we each did our own thing. However, we’ve been divorced for seven years, and we get along fine now. While I wouldn’t say we are friends, we do things together for the benefit of our daughter, like play games and periodically share a meal.

You have a background in psychology, and you’ve credited that for helping you realize that at the time of your divorce, your daughter was having difficulty understanding what was happening. What signs should parents who don’t have a background in psychology look for in their kids as a divorce progresses?

Kids who are having a difficult time with divorce have different reactions depending on their personality. The most common things to watch for are signs of anxiety (especially separation anxiety, where a child doesn’t want to separate from their parent), anger, and tantrums. Kids may not ask questions directly, especially if they’re young, so it’s up to us to relay the important points to them repeatedly.

There are a few things you need to reassure them about: 1) they are loved, and that will never change, 2) nothing they did caused the divorce, and 3) when they will see the other parent (and how they can contact them, such as FaceTime).

Kids really need routines in order to feel safe, so trying to keep life as predictable as possible will do wonders. This is why I created both the Daily Chart, which helps kids see that every day begins and ends the same way, and the Custody Calendar, which helps kids understand when they’ll see each parent. Kids are visual learners and usually need concepts repeated multiple times before they truly learn.

I love the charts and calendars you’ve developed. Can you share a bit more about why you think these vehicles are so useful for helping kids understand and process?

I created the calendar to help kids understand when they’d see each parent. My daughter was only 18 months old when her father and I separated, and it didn’t take long for me to realize that she needed something visual to consult so she’d understand when she’d see her dad next. Many parents use the calendar when telling their kids about the divorce. During a very hard, emotional conversation, it provides some solid ground.

The Daily Chart is useful for a few reasons: first, it helps kids understand that every morning and every evening are the same, which gives them a sense of security in an otherwise turbulent time. Routines help kids see the ways in which each home is similar and different, and to understand what is expected of them. Less confusion = less stress and anxiety! For older kids, the Daily Chart has the added benefit of acting as a visual to-do list, helping teach independence and responsibility –  meaning parents need to nag less. Combined with our Connecting with Kids set, the Daily Chart also helps parents connect with their kids on a daily basis by incorporating things like “cuddle time” and “counting blessings” into night-time routines.

I also offer a guide to talking to your kids about divorce for free on my website. The guide used to come with each set, but I realized parents might need to have the conversation before the chart arrives (though I get a lot of feedback that the calendar makes the conversation go much more smoothly!). When you’re going through something really hard, there can be a real sense of urgency. I don’t want people to have to wait to have that conversation.

You were diagnosed with cancer just a few years after your divorce. Did that diagnosis change your relationship with your ex when it came to co-parenting your daughter? What advice can you share with others going through a similar situation?

I was really nervous to share the news of my cancer diagnosis with my ex. I was concerned that he might throw a custody curveball at me and I’d find myself fighting for custody again instead of focusing on my health. However, for the most part he was incredibly accommodating.

Being divorced actually ended up being a blessing, believe it or not. During my surgeries, my daughter went to her dad’s house, and I knew she was excited to play with her new baby brother, which helped alleviate my guilt. My ex was really flexible, which was very helpful and helped me trust him a bit more. We switched weekends when I had chemo, so on my worst days I didn’t have to worry about her seeing me at my lowest, nor did I need to worry about keeping her entertained.

It was really difficult to keep track of all the changes that happen when a parent is diagnosed with cancer, though – which is why I ended up creating the Parents’ Cancer Treatment Calendar. This helps families keep track of who’s doing school drop-off and pick-up, what treatment a parent is having and how they’ll be feeling, and activities they can do as a family that won’t exhaust the parent. I’m really proud of this line (which also led to a Kids’ Cancer Treatment Calendar for kids with cancer). I have a feeling they’ll help a lot of families.

You have been through so much in the last seven years. And so has your daughter. Thinking about all you’ve already been through together, and all that lies ahead – what makes you most proud of her?

You know, I don’t think she understands how much all this has affected her life. She doesn’t have much to compare it to – she doesn’t remember her father and I ever being together. And as for cancer, unfortunately I think she thinks it’s much more common than it actually is (my mom is also a two-time breast cancer survivor).

Cancer had its blessings for both my daughter and for me, even though I was no fun at all during treatment and her second-grade year was pretty rotten. For example, my mom and my boyfriend basically moved in with us for five months, which gave her other people to trust. At some point I hope she will look back and realize how strong these trials have made me and know that she can also face hard things herself.

As for our relationship now, I am incredibly thankful for it. My years as a single mom made us very close, and my ordeal with cancer made me realize what’s important in life. I try to work a bit less and focus on her more.

And finally, looking back seven years ago, what is one piece of advice, or one thing you know now, that you wish you could tell yourself back in 2012 when you were going through your divorce?

Be patient with the process. Going through a divorce means finding yourself again, and that can’t be rushed! Don’t try to force the healing.

Wise words to end on.

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